RDRC S8 Round 2 - Rally Sweden (13th - 19th February 2017)

Bratsaki · Feb 23, 2017

I think that the only thing that must actively change is the classification. Right now there are many drivers on WRC+ group. Many of them have Group B cars and other WRC. It's a pitty and a bit unfair to not having seperate classification for this group. Also the F2 cars cannot be in the same group with theRWD cars. They are so different cars.
We must consider the signed up drivers on each class in order to do this seperation but I believe it's doable and fair.

My class proposal:
Gr.B: Gr.B
4WD+ : 2000, 2010
4WD- : Gr. A & R4
F2000: F2
2WD+ : Gr.B RWD & 1980s
2WD- : 1970s
Classic: 1960s

If this change happens all previous rallies's points and classification must be updated. So make this change soon

I personally liked the idea of "pro" and "amateurs". As long as the drivers registered on each class is a fair amount we can create two small championships consisting of the winners of each classes.

PRO championship:
Gr.B: Gr.B
4WD+ : 2000, 2010
F2000: F2
2WD+ : Gr.B RWD & 1980s

AMATEURS championhip:
4WD- : Gr. A & R4
2WD- : 1970s
Classic: 1960s

So in order to win the PRO/Amateur championship you have to go win or go well on your class classification.
If at the end of the championship we have drivers with the same amount of points we can do a small final rally for those drivers.
As for the future of this championship. I hope Dirt 4 will be ok to use it, but we must consider the possibility that Codemasters may release new cars, or countries as DLCs which must be able to be used on this championship.

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 23, 2017

LuMue said:
If the next RDRC is played on DIRT 4, it would be great if the stage creator would be used for this!!

Unless the feature and/or physics are a trainwreck, this is what we aim to do.

Bratsaki said:
I think that the only thing that must actively change is the classification. Right now there are many drivers on WRC+ group. Many of them have Group B cars and other WRC. It's a pitty and a bit unfair to not having seperate classification for this group. Also the F2 cars cannot be in the same group with theRWD cars. They are so different cars.
We must consider the signed up drivers on each class in order to do this seperation but I believe it's doable and fair.

*snip*

If we'd known the amount of drivers we'd get here, certain classes would've been split up for this season, but there was no way we could've seen that this would be the championship that would set a massive record, not only for RDRC but for RaceDepartment in general. However, as we've stated a few times earlier when the question came up as well, to split up classes, would mean that certain teams would be split as well, it would require every driver to control everything about their sign ups etc. While that could be done, it would give us much work, but it would also create 'work' for the participants, something we'd like to avoid. RDRC have always been about, and will always be about having fun, and then everything else comes behind that in priority.

Further to add to that, to split classes that are not so big (2WD+) would create a massive discrepancy when it comes to point-scoring positions, and majorly impact the team-championship. This is incidentally why we waited as long as we did to change the rules so the top 20 scored points instead of top 10, as we needed the 2WD+ class to fill up more.
Also, a quite big complaint on DiRT Rally is that the Gr.B cars are somewhat overpowered, especially the Peugeot 205, that with a proper setup, that is the fastest car by far in the game. That might be the case, but the best Gr.B car was 4th in Monaco, with a total of 5 group B cars scoring points. In Sweden, no Gr.B cars scored. Potentially a Gr.B car could run away with the title, but that won't happen, and I actually feel that coupling Gr.B and 2010's are something we did good with here, as RDRC and IRL rallying have one clear top-class with the fastest cars in, if Gr.B and 2010's are separated, there are no top class of cars.

All feedback will be taken on board for evaluation for future seasons. But as I've stated before, and probably will again later this season, we can make small amendments to the rules, but we will not change the fundementals during a season. When it comes to that, it is actually a case of knowing what you've signed up for. The rules are not perfect, and they will never be, there are always improvements to be made, but those improvements are for a new season.

For a reference:
Season 7 point tables - Pro & Amateur - Pro had to use WRC cars, Amateur couldn't. Note, Karl Raudsepp was allowed to join the Pro and WRC after winning RDRC-2 before the season ended.
Season 4 point tables - Grade 1,2,3,4. Plus RDRC, S-RDRC, P-RDRC and 2WD Cup. Quite complicated set of rules, note that the overall champion, also won the Grade 2, while the 2WD cup winner didn't score a single grade point, while 2nd placed in that cup got 5th in the Grade 4.
While there was more separate scoring etc. in Season 4, it was also way more complicated, and to be honest a bit messy, and if we were to bring back grading, it would just be to sort on driver skill in relation to what class you'd be allowed in to, not creating even more point tables.

I feel that the end of season evaluation thread will be quite big - which is great

Now, time to do the points and stuff from Sweden

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 23, 2017

The finalized results and points will be up very shortly, I just have to mention @emuga12 (Ethan O'Hagan) and @Andy Jobin . Two teammates getting the exact same position in both Monte and Sweden. That is quite astonishing!

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 23, 2017

Final Rally Sweden Results can be found here

Top 20 overall

Top 20 4WD-

Top 20 2WD+

Top 20 2WD-

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 23, 2017

And the point tables are also updated, you can find them here

Double(4x) posting is not a nice thing...

Thomas Lambaerts · Feb 23, 2017

Howly cow! Andreas Norström...

just short of 3 minutes faster than 2nd place in 2wd+.

Gratz to all the winners!

Roy Magnes · Feb 23, 2017

Wooo, good points for both me and RMI

If I'd only been exactly 8 seconds faster....

Neilski · Feb 23, 2017

LuMue said:
Then you can train on the surface where the stages take place...everything else is a surprise - even the Co with the pacenotes

Yeah, this could go badly wrong if the rally creator wants to join in the authenticity and doesn't test the stage first - just picture a stage with 100% DNFs

LuMue · Feb 24, 2017

I love statistics - and I do my very own for the RDRC Season 8.

For my own motivation I added a statistic for Group A Cars, because I drive a Delta Integrale.
At Monte Carlo 37 cars started in Group A, I finished 9th overall, best stage result was a 4th place on SS8, worst a 29th on SS5.
At Sweden also 37 cars started in Group A, here I finished 5th overall. Worst place was 13th on SS3 followed by a WIN on SS4 and SS17 and 4 more podiums with 3rd place on SS7, SS14, SS15 & SS16.

There is a lot of data which helps me to motivate myself for the following events, as there are:
- winning at least on stage in Group A at every rally
- Finishing TOP 3 in Group A in one rally
- Having fun at every single stage

Same with 4WD- and Overall - everywhere I can define my own goals to reach without loosing my fun!!!

Waht I want to say is, that everyone could do this for himself and so get his motivation to compete in this championship, even without being mentioned in a winners list...there are a lot of competitors, which race on your skill level, to race against - you just have to find them!!!
Have a nice weekend - doing statistics for your own

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 24, 2017

Indeed @LuMue. Personally my goal is to be the best non-Kadett in all rallies. Didn't manage it in Monte, but did it in Sweden!

David Ross · Feb 24, 2017

My goal is not to be last in my mini Cooper

Kubica2012 · Feb 24, 2017

Hmm, 49th overall is a bit disappointing, even if it was 66th in Monte Carlo

if I always do 17 places off, than it's a solid 15th in Finland, good to know!

Jim Layee · Feb 24, 2017

David Ross said:
My goal is not to be last in my mini Cooper

Don't worry about that I will always be last in mine =D

ariwalk · Feb 27, 2017

Well, I need to say that times are better than online driving (weekly and daily or monthly etc). Good job guys.

Roland · Feb 27, 2017

My goals are to make it into the bottom of the RDRC Hall of fame by scoring at least one point this season

And enjoy myself on this journey to either success or failure.

And so far.. I at least succeeded at that!

50% achieved

Ole Marius Myrvold · Feb 27, 2017

Roland said:
My goals are to make it into the bottom of the RDRC Hall of fame by scoring at least one point this season

Now that's a statistic I haven't made yet - Would only be useful to compile overall points though, as the classes have changed quite often.
Hmmm, you've given me another thing to think about here

First question is, do I have all the point tables saved on my PC!

Neilski · Feb 28, 2017

Hehe, my current goal is to try and score at least one *more* point so I can get off the bottom of the points table

Eckhart von Glan · Mar 1, 2017

and how glad would many of us be to at least get "on" the bottom of the tables? That said, it's huge fun to test your talent against other players even if you trundle in well beyond position 40 in your class. tables be damned